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Selbständig Arbeitslosengeld
Posted on 05.07.2010 14:39
Selbständig Arbeitslosengeld
Last 26 months i have been paying my arbeitslose insurance and I do have PR(Permanant Recidency) from Germany. For some good reason I am getting the opportunity to start the contracting job (selbständig) in Munich.
To start with I am getting 4 monhts contract and if things goes well it may extend beyond.
So I have decided to quit my job and start the contracting job.
In case if i am not able to get the extension after 4 months, am I eligible for the Arbeitslosengeld(Unemployment benifit money).
It would of great help if someone can guide me on this before I take the decision.
Indram
indram
Member since 05.07.2010
Posted on 06.07.2010 16:41
Re: Selbständig Arbeitslosengeld
Hi SSDKSSDK,
what i know is that when you register in arbeitsamt for arbeitslosengeld , you could also go ahead and ask for support to setup a business yourself. It could be a 1 man company or a few people company ( Like minded people joining and forming a company ).
Info as far as i get from talking to people + talkign to arbeitsamt is you get a starting lumpsum(grundungzuchuss ) calculated on your netto * X Months + xx.xx Euros and then you cannot claim arbeitslosengeld any more and also you would need to take care of your health insurance as well ( When you are a family - this is a hughe factor)
How Many Months ? : Is a question that i never got a proper answer
ISSUES
Member since 14.06.2010
Posted on 06.07.2010 18:31
Re: Selbständig Arbeitslosengeld
Hi Issues,
I had a query for you. see the previous posting from me, it was addressed to you. I kindly request you to comment on that.
indram
indram
Member since 05.07.2010
Posted on 06.07.2010 20:19
Re: Selbständig Arbeitslosengeld
@ISSUES
Thank you very much for the information.
I have come across a website giving much more information on freelancing but it is in German. Those who are good at german will definitely benefit with the info available at the site.
http://gruendungszuschuss.de/
SSDKSSDK
Member since 26.09.2008
Posted on 07.07.2010 09:11
Re: Selbständig Arbeitslosengeld
SSDKSSDK : Good Link, but let us wait for the practial experiences from people.
indram : Here is my understanding
31.07.2010 : Your last day with the company
August : You plan to work on setting up your business or ?.
01.09.2010 - 31.12.2010 : 4 Months contracting.
You are eligible for ALG1 as such. I am not sure on how the blocking period applies to you. It might not even apply to you also.
Fundamental question : In August you do not have any income, is that true and real ?.
What i believe is before 3 months or applicable Kundigungsfrist( For people on Job ), they should go and register in arbeitsamt that they would be jobless /arbeitssuchende in 3 months time.
In your case , it would be 01.01.2011 onwards you would be arbeitssuchende. Ask arbeitsamt on when is the appropriate time to register for arbeitslosengeld for selbstandige.
The calculation of ALG1 would be as follows
calculating backwards from 31.12.201.
60% or 67%( Depends on Tax Classe) Average Monthly Netto income earned in last 12 months / 24 months would be paid out to you as ALG1 for 12 months.
ISSUES
Member since 14.06.2010
Posted on 07.07.2010 11:41
Re: Selbständig Arbeitslosengeld
@ISSUES,
In august there will be no income.
This is the buffer time i am considering for getting releived. some times you ask for one date for releiving but it might end up in another date.
in the above said case if i ask for 31st july2010 as last day but company ends up releiving in august 2010.
indram
indram
Member since 05.07.2010
Posted on 07.07.2010 11:47
Re: Selbständig Arbeitslosengeld
Will you be contracting with the same company ?. or with a different company.
if it is the same company , Plan enough Kundigungszeit and then might be ask them to relive you according to your kundigungs period.
then you could let arbeitsamt know that you would be starting the freelancing activity from the following month onwards. You might be even eligible for grundungzuchuss.
eventually after 4 months of contracting , if the contract doesnt get extended you end up in ALG1 and thats okay at least.
so , i would suggest you to plan your next steps.
ISSUES
Member since 14.06.2010
Posted on 09.07.2010 15:23
Re: Selbständig Arbeitslosengeld
@issues,
No, its a different company. I have one month notice periods specified in my offer letter.
indram
indram
Member since 05.07.2010
Posted on 09.07.2010 17:16
Re: Selbständig Arbeitslosengeld
Hallo
This is my idea... just ignore if i am deviating from the topic
Hope ur problem is that if u don't get extended after four months u will be in critical situation. So u like to be safer.
Y dont you start a company in your own country ( hope u r from India). and employee yourself in that company. So get the four month contract on your company´s name in home country. so u r just an employee. as an employee u r eligible to get all the benefits of ALG. Some times you will pay less tax in your home country which will is an advantage for you.
Hope the experienced guys will throw light on this.
Sudar
sudarg
Member since 17.05.2010
Posted on 10.07.2010 01:31
Re: Selbständig Arbeitslosengeld
@Sudarg & Indram
My feeling : It is not worth the effort
1. For a 4 month Contract !
2. and as long as there is no long term agreement it is not worth the whole setup.
I would only suggest this approach if
1. Long term agreement / Contract with a very good hourly price
2. After a long trust is established - may be yes
Just consider the logistics involved
1. Setting up a company ( India or else where )- Costs involved
2. Setting up a partner branch here in Germany
3. Book keeping in both the countries
4. Transactions involved to have things properly done ( One needs a Proper organisational setup/Support for this kind of activity)
5. Tax Consultants in both the places
6. Annual Accounts declarations in both the places
7. Lastly a work contract for the one man show company
IS IT WORTH THE EFFORT ?.
A Simple freelancing contract would do , or ?.
Open for feedback/suggestions.
ISSUES
Member since 14.06.2010
Posted on 15.07.2010 10:17
Re: Selbständig Arbeitslosengeld
@indram : Any update ?.
@SSDKSSDK & @indram : feel free to contact me at kalingaz@yahoo.com
ISSUES
Member since 14.06.2010
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